Best Nutrients for outside

[Joedracer79]

I ve used Nectar of the gods for years then just went to compost teas and other nutrients . I see all these nutrients out there that promise bigger yields and healthier plants ect. I m interested in what others use and have to say about their own nutrient programs. Has anyone used the Humbolt A& B secret nutrients? I was interested in their stuff or fox farms. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Tracker]

Most salt based synthetic nutrients targeted at cannabis growers are way overpriced. With liquid bottle salt nutes, you're also paying for the logistic cost of transporting water.

The brands purchase the salts from chemical manufacturers and relabel them. Probably same salts from same manufacturers in a lot of the fancy overpriced nutrients that are in miracle gro.

If you want to keep the price down, Jack's or Master Blend will do just fine. Use Calcium Nitrate and Magnesium Sulfate to supplement Cal and Mag. There is a lot of info online about using those for cannabis.

For convenience, I use GH MaxiGro/MaxiBloom one-part dry nutes as base. I supplement with BluePlanet EasyWeed soluble kelp, WOW soluble humic/fulvic, pH down with bulk ascorbic acid, Botanicare CalMag+.

Put dry parts in 5 gal bucket. Fill halfway with water Mix with mixer attachment on high speed drill. Add CalMag. Add water to 5gal while mixing. Then water it in on plants.

My plants seem to like it....

 

[Joedracer79]

HOLY FUCK!!!!!! Dude those are dandy's??? I was told my Blue Dream are suppose to grow pretty big so I m hoping for big things. Im up on the North East so I m not sure I can get my plants any where near those ones in your pictures. I ll definitely try everything you mentioned. I also heard the same thing about company's relabeling shit and over pricing it. I really appreciate your reply . One question about your grow is what is that strain ? Damn those are gorgous and just the structure of those plants is perfect..

 

[Tracker]

HOLY FUCK!!!!!! Dude those are dandy's??? I was told my Blue Dream are suppose to grow pretty big so I m hoping for big things. Im up on the North East so I m not sure I can get my plants any where near those ones in your pictures. I ll definitely try everything you mentioned. I also heard the same thing about company's relabeling shit and over pricing it. I really appreciate your reply . One question about your grow is what is that strain ? Damn those are gorgous and just the structure of those plants is perfect..

The top pic is 2021 outdoor. There are 3 plants in the picture, all clones from a plant in my 2020 outdoor Motherlode Kush from Sannie. They are spread out on and supported by trellis and garden poles.

The middle pic is 2022 outdoor. You can see 6 plants in the picture. They are spread out and supported by 2 layers of trellis on a bamboo frame.

The bottom pic is my current 2023 outdoor. There are 4 plants. From right....

Crystal Skull Kush from Heart & Soil Seeds

Genie from a cross made on my 2021 outdoor of MLK x (Z3 Zkittlez x (Wedding Cake x Blue MAC))

Blue Dream (JD6 cut)

Volunteer plant that was growing vigorously and showed female pistils early. Based on where it popped up, it is most likely a Bones OG seed made in 2022 outdoor.

Bones OG = (True OG x Black Domina) x Goji OG

If you'd like to try out some of my beans just send me a DM.

 

[saint croix paul]

for me its a matter of keeping it natural as i can, the simple fact is 100% organic soil grown is the best. , to me it seems like everyone is caught up in the recreational and farm need to produce more product. the plants above are nice that's what old school weed looked like , 8-9 month cycle you get 6 months of veg, and hence the size, what i admire most is the dedication to his plants growing 9 month s is hard out side if its not a legalized grow state, so kudos . as far as nutrients go i stick to preparing my soil with as little salt based product as possible , i cycle my soil thru sweet potato's after each crop and most importantly never ever let my macrozones die with dry soil. i try tp grow my soil and let theplants benifit . from what i have seen many people many ways no one can claim best, cause if it works for you thats the best feeling

 

[Joedracer79]

for me its a matter of keeping it natural as i can, the simple fact is 100% organic soil grown is the best. , to me it seems like everyone is caught up in the recreational and farm need to produce more product. the plants above are nice that's what old school weed looked like , 8-9 month cycle you get 6 months of veg, and hence the size, what i admire most is the dedication to his plants growing 9 month s is hard out side if its not a legalized grow state, so kudos . as far as nutrients go i stick to preparing my soil with as little salt based product as possible , i cycle my soil thru sweet potato's after each crop and most importantly never ever let my macrozones die with dry soil. i try tp grow my soil and let theplants benifit . from what i have seen many people many ways no one can claim best, cause if it works for you thats the best feeling

Well said . I ve used all sorts of nutrients , General Hydroponic which I liked, Nectar from the gods shit even just miracle grow when I was younger .lol I like his idea above and saving money is also a good thing. I m gonna try implementing what tracker mentioned with some other stuff. Hopefully I ll get it dialed in fast . I started using compost teas and natural stuff and it also works well. It s amazing the stuff out there now .I wonder what these company's make for $ just off nutrient sales for cannabis, I ll bet the numbers extremely high, especially with so many places going legal. It sucks now because it used to be about creating a good product to help create better bud. Now its all about profits and the bottom line. I guess thats what eventually happens with everything.

 

[Tracker]

for me its a matter of keeping it natural as i can, the simple fact is 100% organic soil grown is the best. , to me it seems like everyone is caught up in the recreational and farm need to produce more product. the plants above are nice that's what old school weed looked like , 8-9 month cycle you get 6 months of veg, and hence the size, what i admire most is the dedication to his plants growing 9 month s is hard out side if its not a legalized grow state, so kudos . as far as nutrients go i stick to preparing my soil with as little salt based product as possible , i cycle my soil thru sweet potato's after each crop and most importantly never ever let my macrozones die with dry soil. i try tp grow my soil and let theplants benifit . from what i have seen many people many ways no one can claim best, cause if it works for you thats the best feeling

I have a compost barrel you can see on the left side of the pics. I fill it with kitchen scraps and trimmings from the plants, also trim from my veggie garden. In March I mix it into the raised bed.

I plant in the ground when when the 2 week forecast puts us with no frost beyond the 90% chance of no frost historical date. I put in the ground in mid April this year.

The plants feed on the compost and leftover nutes from previous season for about 4 to 6 weeks without supplementation. Once they show signs of needing nutes (usually N deficiency on lower growth) I start supplementing at about 50% of the recommended dosage. I don't push them too hard with nutes. I do my veggie garden the same way.

 

[Joedracer79]

The top pic is 2021 outdoor. There are 3 plants in the picture, all clones from a plant in my 2020 outdoor Motherlode Kush from Sannie. They are spread out on and supported by trellis and garden poles.

The middle pic is 2022 outdoor. You can see 6 plants in the picture. They are spread out and supported by 2 layers of trellis on a bamboo frame.

The bottom pic is my current 2023 outdoor. There are 4 plants. From right....

Crystal Skull Kush from Heart & Soil Seeds

Genie from a cross made on my 2021 outdoor of MLK x (Z3 Zkittlez x (Wedding Cake x Blue MAC))

Blue Dream (JD6 cut)

Volunteer plant that was growing vigorously and showed female pistils early. Based on where it popped up, it is most likely a Bones OG seed made in 2022 outdoor.

Bones OG = (True OG x Black Domina) x Goji OG

If you'd like to try out some of my beans just send me a DM.

OMG There gorgeous, I don t even know where to start . All your strain are beauty's . The ones that really peak my interest are
Genie from a cross made on my 2021 outdoor of MLK x (Z3 Zkittlez x (Wedding Cake x Blue MAC))

Blue Dream and the Bones og True og x Black Domina sound amazing.
Do you get any blue or purple colors on your plants ? I swear I love being in N.E because the cold weather brings out insane colors out of a lot of the plants I grow....

 

[Tracker]

Do you get any blue or purple colors on your plants ?

(Blueberry Squealer #5) x (Blueberry Squealer F2) from Okcalyxx

Crystal Skull Kush from Heart & Soil Seeds

 

[saint croix paul]

I have a compost barrel you can see on the left side of the pics. I fill it with kitchen scraps and trimmings from the plants, also trim from my veggie garden. In March I mix it into the raised bed.

I plant in the ground when when the 2 week forecast puts us with no frost beyond the 90% chance of no frost historical date. I put in the ground in mid April this year.

The plants feed on the compost and leftover nutes from previous season for about 4 to 6 weeks without supplementation. Once they show signs of needing nutes (usually N deficiency on lower growth) I start supplementing at about 50% of the recommended dosage. I don't push them too hard with nutes. I do my veggie garden the same way.

man im jealous about your temps, down here its either 97 or 85 to be honest i use roots soil the dirt down here is mostly lime based iron rich clay its a non volcanic island. i start there and add blood meal and bone meal, let it sit for a month then grow in that, like i said i water my pots with or with out plants so its grow one then 6 months of sweetpotaos ( they produce an enzyme the mirocozones love ) and there readdy to go a touch more blood meal and bone meal ch the ph and thats it. if i need mag i use banana, if i need iron an old machete stuck in the pot, copper a penny zinc a nickel, my tea is just drippings from the mulch pot mixed with water. i do hst and lst but dont clone or stretch im not after quantity ( but its a by product ) just like growing the plant making my own medicine. much respect to you tracker you sound like you make the most of your out door grow season. and its evident you grow clean landrace thats getting harder and harder to do . respect

 

[Joedracer79]

(Blueberry Squealer #5) x (Blueberry Squealer F2) from Okcalyxx
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Crystal Skull Kush from Heart & Soil Seeds
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holy shit ,those are so pretty, I gotta say I m impressed. VERY,VERY NICE.

 

[Joedracer79]

I have a compost barrel you can see on the left side of the pics. I fill it with kitchen scraps and trimmings from the plants, also trim from my veggie garden. In March I mix it into the raised bed.

I plant in the ground when when the 2 week forecast puts us with no frost beyond the 90% chance of no frost historical date. I put in the ground in mid April this year.

The plants feed on the compost and leftover nutes from previous season for about 4 to 6 weeks without supplementation. Once they show signs of needing nutes (usually N deficiency on lower growth) I start supplementing at about 50% of the recommended dosage. I don't push them too hard with nutes. I do my veggie garden the same way.

This is great.. I just ordered the master Blend combo kit with Calcium and Magnesium . Excited to give it ago.. I appreciate all the advice and tips. All of you guys are great . I ll keep u posted on my results ..

 

[Tracker]

you grow clean landrace

Thank you for the kind words.

There are not landrace varieties in thise pics. They are all bred out and hybridized. I have some landrace beans in the stash, but I havent grown landraces in a few years.

 

[saint croix paul]

Thank you for the kind words.

There are not landrace varieties in thise pics. They are all bred out and hybridized. I have some landrace beans in the stash, but I havent grown landraces in a few years.

im referring to the lack of ruderals in your seed stock, prevalent in most popular seed sites today. lest ways that my theory we have gone from almost all 7-9 month cycle plants to 3-4 month cycles, now that's not just crossing two strains its the influence of the third strain, i cant tell the difference between auto flower and feminized to much anymore. i use the word land race because i dont know what else to call 7-9 month cycle plants hybrid or not. weird right. any way im focusing on thai based hybrids these days, because i have to stay under federal radar i keep my size down and induce flower at about 22 inches and wind up in the 40" at harvest. sucks to loose your product to the dea and there hilcopter

 

[Joedracer79]

im referring to the lack of ruderals in your seed stock, prevalent in most popular seed sites today. lest ways that my theory we have gone from almost all 7-9 month cycle plants to 3-4 month cycles, now that's not just crossing two strains its the influence of the third strain, i cant tell the difference between auto flower and feminized to much anymore. i use the word land race because i dont know what else to call 7-9 month cycle plants hybrid or not. weird right. any way im focusing on thai based hybrids these days, because i have to stay under federal radar i keep my size down and induce flower at about 22 inches and wind up in the 40" at harvest. sucks to loose your product to the dea and there hilcopter

Pretty sad that in 2023 you still have to worry about DEA for growing medicine. They should be more worried about the fentynal thats easilly flowing threw the border at a historical rate. It makes me sick they waste so much money on honest people growing.

 

[Tracker]

i dont know what else to call 7-9 month cycle plants

Photoperiod plants vs. Autoflower plants

 

[ThcFarmer]

Keep at it. You will find something that works for your soil. I use pelletized chicken manure for all stages of growth 5-4-3, fish emulsion for veg, bone meal added at veg to decompose in time for flower, hydrated lime to keep the ph down from fish and chix poop, tap water that declorinates for 24 hours before use, which supplies calcium, and add epson salt for magnesium. If I see deficiencies, which I normally don’t I will use 1/2 strength hydro salt based fert. Good growing. For me it’s not quantity it quality. I don’t push them and yield a bumper crop because they don’t suffer from over fertilization. I think too many ppl push it and then they have fert issues which are more difficult to deal with than under fertilizing. JMO

 

[Reznfingeez]

I run jacks . Super simple. I'll also feed them some liquid kelps a couple times a year along with worm castings topdressed in at the beginning of veg then again at the beginning of bloom, that's her

 

[Arsonist]

for me its a matter of keeping it natural as i can, the simple fact is 100% organic soil grown is the best. , to me it seems like everyone is caught up in the recreational and farm need to produce more product. the plants above are nice that's what old school weed looked like , 8-9 month cycle you get 6 months of veg, and hence the size, what i admire most is the dedication to his plants growing 9 month s is hard out side if its not a legalized grow state, so kudos . as far as nutrients go i stick to preparing my soil with as little salt based product as possible , i cycle my soil thru sweet potato's after each crop and most importantly never ever let my macrozones die with dry soil. i try tp grow my soil and let theplants benifit . from what i have seen many people many ways no one can claim best, cause if it works for you thats the best feeling

I totally agree with what you say saint croix paul maintaining 100% organic farming is real business that maintains sustainability and also health for all.

I have done very well growing that way in fact in flowering I have been using bat guano tea, then I alternate with potassium humate and banana tea and the plants show the appreciation as well as being high quality cannabis, like old school it is like doing a retrospective, this whole subject is very interesting.

 

[newport420]

I ve used Nectar of the gods for years then just went to compost teas and other nutrients . I see all these nutrients out there that promise bigger yields and healthier plants ect. I m interested in what others use and have to say about their own nutrient programs. Has anyone used the Humbolt A& B secret nutrients? I was interested in their stuff or fox farms. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

make some fish gut stew.