Ali express ? I'm waiting on them too but very cheap..worth the time 4 sure cuzthis is true greasygas as a matter of fact I just ordered me 50 they were pretty cheap but it will be after the first of the year to get here from what I understand china company's have a large air container than all the small orders ones and two are placed in and shipped together than here they sort it out by states which takes a few days most all are sent to Chicago so all in all from china shipping takes one month or more 5 day express shipping on most items are $24.00 to $40.00 a bit costly. I just purchased another grow light that is a bit different it will be here by next Saturday I guess that means that Amazon has it in stock they work with Wish.Com